UK ISP Clamping down on illegal Filesharing

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Damn, and I thought it was bad in the states...
 
one just wonders how they can distinguish between legal and illegal packets that have been downloaded.
isn't it a bit like your postman opening your mail to make sure you're not sending/receiving drugs/fake documents/illegal porn etc.?
along the lines there is a break of privacy too, just because you're using torrents doesn't mean it's all illegal stuff (see Linux community etc) :P
 
90degrees said:
one just wonders how they can distinguish between legal and illegal packets that have been downloaded.
isn't it a bit like your postman opening your mail to make sure you're not sending/receiving drugs/fake documents/illegal porn etc.?
along the lines there is a break of privacy too, just because you're using torrents doesn't mean it's all illegal stuff (see Linux community etc) :P
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Thats exactly the problem with it... in Finland we havent gone for that yet and not even fair use polices with unlimited connections as in Britain has already done.

Im bit afraid that this whole thing will explode in our hands eventually. There is loads of
legal downloads and what they will do is blocking some software traffics or setting some "fair use limits" to handle this thing. This sucks so much... the data traffic in internet is going up evevryday and now ISP's are going limits the data transfering... what the hell is happening in their heads :P

we should start to write normal mail letters again...... :mask:
 
^ ...and get ASoT or TatW on 2x C60 tapes in a jiffy bag?:lol:

I think they're already doing more than they're allowed to - Sony rootkit or British Telecom's PHORM experiment w/o users consent to name a few and all that comes with Vista (DRM shit, "phoning" home etc.)
 
torrents.ah.fm is all legal though, right?

If so, I'll be fine with that I think ;)
 
stork said:
torrents.ah.fm is all legal though, right?

If so, I'll be fine with that I think ;)
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Afterhours is operated from Canada, in Canada there is no torrent laws, or downloading laws. Also to add AH torrents are exact AH shows that get aired, if DJ's do not want their shows to be torrented we do not.

I think it all has to do with the content that is being torrented, I mean why blame torrent "technology" and calling it illegal. Its just a technology being used to share files, I always use torrents to download linux distributions of the OS, is that illegal also? I dont think so.
 
The people doing illegal things with torrents and other file sharing platforms will almost always be a step ahead of the government. They are wasting their time, in the US the government started to get smart on kazaa and limewire users, and many people switched over to torrents. If/when torrents become unusable people will just switch to something else.

I think there are many more pressing issues for our law enforcement to focus on, same goes for across the pond i imagine.
 
it's a real shame a good technology is getting criminalized like that... what will be next, FTP? HTTP?
 
90degrees said:
one just wonders how they can distinguish between legal and illegal packets that have been downloaded.
isn't it a bit like your postman opening your mail to make sure you're not sending/receiving drugs/fake documents/illegal porn etc.?
along the lines there is a break of privacy too, just because you're using torrents doesn't mean it's all illegal stuff (see Linux community etc) :P
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Depending on what client you are using and whether or not your connection is encrypted it can be quite easy to make an application that monitors the data stream to see what files are being requested. But for the best part the ISPs don't actually do that, they just make an educated guess that the fact that let's say "Bob" has transferred transferred 30gb of data in the past week, that's gotta be down to P2P sharing so they send a carefully phrased letter.

TBH, none of this is new and ISPs have been sending letters for years asking users to stop using P2P sharing applications, I have no idea why the media just decided to start shouting about it all of a sudden. It's probably just scare tactics to get people to stop sharing content, and it does actually work to a certain extent, or at least it creates a temporary dip so to speak.
 
Torrent sites are not illegal, it is often te data being shared though torrent sites that is illegal.

People forget that you can not just make a mix at home and upload it onto the internet without the permission of the owner(s) of the track, same goes for sharing tracks that youve bought / recorded of the radio / recorded of an internet stream.

People also forget that in reality podcasts are only legal IF offered on the site of the original broadcaster or if the person offering the podcast has an agreement with their local IFPI and BIEM organisations.

A lot if accepted by indie record companies as it is also seen as promotion of the track (of course this does not include the sharing of tracks). That said an artist does not want anyone who wants to to put out a terrible remix of his track and spread it all over the internet.

A lot of companies only right of existance is illegal content (quite a lot of the torrent companies, companies like rapidshare and even a company like youtube). Before someone claims all these people are in it cause they believe in everything being free, that the internet should have no boundaries etc lets remember that those people makes shitloads of cash on the back of the people who actually invest in the content (youtube is a prime example where the owners sold out for a shitload of cash).
 
berry said:
Torrent sites are not illegal, it is often te data being shared though torrent sites that is illegal.

People forget that you can not just make a mix at home and upload it onto the internet without the permission of the owner(s) of the track, same goes for sharing tracks that youve bought / recorded of the radio / recorded of an internet stream.

People also forget that in reality podcasts are only legal IF offered on the site of the original broadcaster or if the person offering the podcast has an agreement with their local IFPI and BIEM organisations.

A lot if accepted by indie record companies as it is also seen as promotion of the track (of course this does not include the sharing of tracks). That said an artist does not want anyone who wants to to put out a terrible remix of his track and spread it all over the internet.

A lot of companies only right of existance is illegal content (quite a lot of the torrent companies, companies like rapidshare and even a company like youtube). Before someone claims all these people are in it cause they believe in everything being free, that the internet should have no boundaries etc lets remember that those people makes shitloads of cash on the back of the people who actually invest in the content (youtube is a prime example where the owners sold out for a shitload of cash).
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Hey you're not 100% correct about DJ Mixes there. Believe it or not DJ Mixes fall into a grey area of the law, and I'm talking about dance music here, not pop compilations or such like. You can create one and upload it to the internet, the only time you need to rethink is if you recieve a request from the copyright holder to have your mix altered (to remove their track).

Dance music is very different from pop music, it's not splattered all over the charts, and it's not owned by faceless corporations such as Sony, (don't mention Ministry of Sound).

When you upload your mixes to the internet you asume all responsibility. I for one have never recieved an email asking me to remove / alter a mix due to any of the contained tracks, but more to the contrary by recieving positive emails of thanks and even promo tracks in some cases.

I wish people would think twice before they start shouting about DJ mixes breaking the law, this is the second time I've read it this week, and there is no way I would have even got into this in the first place If I had thought I personally was breaking the law, and I'm sure a few hundred thousand DJs would agree with me.
 
djabstraction said:
Hey you're not 100% correct about DJ Mixes there. Believe it or not DJ Mixes fall into a grey area of the law, and I'm talking about dance music here, not pop compilations or such like. You can create one and upload it to the internet, the only time you need to rethink is if you recieve a request from the copyright holder to have your mix altered (to remove their track).

Dance music is very different from pop music, it's not splattered all over the charts, and it's not owned by faceless corporations such as Sony, (don't mention Ministry of Sound).

When you upload your mixes to the internet you asume all responsibility. I for one have never recieved an email asking me to remove / alter a mix due to any of the contained tracks, but more to the contrary by recieving positive emails of thanks and even promo tracks in some cases.

I wish people would think twice before they start shouting about DJ mixes breaking the law, this is the second time I've read it this week, and there is no way I would have even got into this in the first place If I had thought I personally was breaking the law, and I'm sure a few hundred thousand DJs would agree with me.
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As I stated in my response, most indie record companies see the mixes as promo, and thus will leave you alone. This does not necessarily mean that it is legal, but just that it is condoned by the record labels.

There is no distinction in the legal protection of music depending on whether it is a chart success or not, whether it is pop, rock, metal or dance. the only difference is that small companies have tried to embrace the internet instead of shying away from it and dont have an oranisation like RIAA and IFPI to fight their battles.

At the same time, it is also the smaller companies facing extinction because they can't afford to constantly troll the internet to have their music taken down when it is being shared illegally.
 
Let me refer you to your original statement

"People forget that you can not just make a mix at home and upload it onto the internet without the permission of the owner(s) of the track, ..."

You forget that you have just signed up to a huge DJ community where we do, exactly that. None of us, contact the owners of said music and ask them if we can please use their tracks. Unless under special circumstances.

It's not just the record labels that are allowing this, it's also artists and even the sites selling the music in the first place. BeatPort & Trackitdown would simply not survive if it wasn't for people making mixes at home and then simply uploading them to the internet. Who else buys from those companies than DJs?

Also I don't think you can call the likes of Black Hole Recordings and Armada "indie" labels.
 
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djabstraction said:
Let me refer you to your original statement

"People forget that you can not just make a mix at home and upload it onto the internet without the permission of the owner(s) of the track, same goes for sharing tracks that youve bought / recorded of the radio / recorded of an internet stream."

You forget that you have just signed up to a huge DJ community where we do, exactly that. None of us, contact the owners of said music and ask them if we can please use their tracks. Unless under special circumstances.

It's not just the record labels that are allowing this, it's also artists and even the sites selling the music in the first place. BeatPort & Trackitdown would simply not survive if it wasn't for people making mixes at home and then simply uploading them to the internet. Who else buys from those companies than DJs?

Also I don't think you can call the likes of Black Hole Recordings and Armada "indie" labels.
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You should have also copied the sentence:

A lot is accepted by indie record companies as it is also seen as promotion of the track (of course this does not include the sharing of tracks).

from my original post.

And indie companies are any company other than SonyBMG, Universal, EMI and Warner. Even MOS is an indie.

I have no beef with DJ's uploading their mixes onto the internet, I only have a problem wih those that find it necessary to not just upload their mixes but also find it necessary to upload the full tracks they just bought from sites like beatport and trackitdown so everyone else can get them for free.
 
I agree totally about people uploading individual tracks for download, but that is on a completely different level from DJ mixes, you have to hack tracks out of DJ mixes and even then they won't sound the same as the original, so kind of encourage you to get the track.

I very much doubt the future of music will remove piracy as it's been around since the beginning of music reproduction. Who knows?!
 
djabstraction said:
I very much doubt the future of music will remove piracy as it's been around since the beginning of music reproduction. Who knows?!
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No, Piracy will never dissapear. But it would be nice if the companies making a mint out of it (ISP selling their high bandwidth packages, companies like rapidshare, youtube etc) would be a bit more pro-active in keeping the level down (or would voluntarily share some of their income with the artist etc).

I also at times download music to see if its any good, if i like it I go and buy the record or download, if i dont like it i delete it.

I do wonder how many DJ's use illegally obtained tracks for their mixes... (although I doubt many would admit it) Seeing how sometimes pre-release tracks are used by DJ's in their mixes it must happen though.

Its a vicious circle, if the artists dont get paid for their music they will have to get day jobs and wont have time to make music, if they dont makie music the dj's wont have anything to play and thus no gigs, or can't make mixes to promote themselves etc, if the DJ's dont play gigs the music the artist makes wont get promoted and sold etc etc.
 
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