and lastly - t4e - Nice quote by M.I.K.E? - did he actually let you quote him for that?
its a quote on quote, and no need for permission when its made public :grinning2:
and lastly - t4e - Nice quote by M.I.K.E? - did he actually let you quote him for that?
its a quote on quote, and no need for permission when its made public :grinning2:
I didn't vote... and if I would do it I would not choose tracks from TOP 20, those are not my favorite
ok I like "you never said" and I love "Lost" but... not those versions, and if you wanna say something about polish listeners of trance first you should know what is their favorite style
most of my friends love uplifting and tech trance
Maybe I'm wrong now but I have impression that you tried to evaluate somebody on base fastly extracted conclusions after you have read my post ...and don't generalize that
yeah, the problem is that the ASOT tunes have a huge influence on a many "trance" DJs, which is why the cheese is so overplayed...
come on people, keep real trance alive, it's all just pop music these days, the real trance is elsewhere! kinda funny when you look back, armin saying things like -> YouTube - Armin van Buuren funny interview (2004) and now he's doing exactly that himself. he's a money making machine, it's all commercial, he doesn't care about trance any more, he's doing what the masses of people like and that's pop(ular) music. so screw it, asot and armin aren't trance any more (and haven't been for a long time)l, so lets move on!
I'm agreeing with DJ Abstraction on this one. Basically, it comes down to this.
Armin had an idea of what trance is.
Other people have an idea of what trance should be.
The masses agree with Armin. Therefore Armin is the most popular DJ, and then what he does is what people follow.
Its like this.... Volkswagen may not make the best cars, but they are the most popular in Europe. So when they make a car, or sell a car....everyone looks at it with interest. Some people might say "Don't buy a Volkswagen...bring back the V8's and the old american motors." Cause they feel that's where the heritage of cars came from. But the truth is....those engines aren not popular today.
Likewise, trance came from a background...it has heritage and it has evolved. Trance today is not what it was 3, 5 or even 10yrs ago. Its different. And it's morphing. Armin and other DJ's are steering trance in a direction they see as the new wave. Old diehard fan's may not agree, but the majority of other people do agree.
Put simply...if Armin was playing cheesy vocal trance...well then...I guess cheesy vocal trance is what pulls a crowd and can sell out a stadium.
Bringing back the sound of "the way trance used to be", would be like me saying "bring back the sound of the way electronic music used to be". With the likes of Kraftwerk, Ultra Sonic, Jean Michelle Jarre, and the old Amiga 8 bit machines.
Face it.....trance has changed.
well of course, we all know that. but that's exactly the point, it draws the masses because it's pop music, it's not trance!Put simply...if Armin was playing cheesy vocal trance...well then...I guess cheesy vocal trance is what pulls a crowd and can sell out a stadium.
well of course, we all know that. but that's exactly the point, it draws the masses because it's pop music, it's not trance!
edit: and btw, this is not about vocals, only armin gave a very extreme example with this top20. the same applies to other stuff like deadmaus.
exactly. i have no problem with ppl liking whatever they like, but please don't call it trance. it just isn't.Well whatever, it's just music that you don't like so much. The same principals arrise.
exactly. i have no problem with ppl liking whatever they like, but please don't call it trance. it just isn't.
This is the whole problem though, you don't think Armin is Trance anymore. Well why don't you remove his set from this years EOYC line up then? You're saying that the #1 Trance DJ of the World is not playing Trance, and that's solely because you're idea of trance is so tight that you're not giving any leeway.
It's a huge genre, you know that, I don't need to teach you to such eggs. But come on dude...
you totally got that wrong....its not one person only, even all the Armin fanboys where bitching yesterday...he has lost his touch afaic, putting all that crap pop tracks up for voting was bad, and IMO ASOT should be a 2 hour show a month and bring back the quality tunes it used to play, its not a quality show anymore its one huge commercial thing...
might one read up on some of the comments made yesterday on different forums.
What I find funny is that Armins personal top 20, has offended so many people. What the f*ck is your problem?
Make your own top 20! Coming out with cr*p about Armin destroying trance, who the hell are you to make comments like that?
i dont remember when was the last time armin said anything for his own top 20 to be honest and i doubt if he will do it for management things..
exactly. i have no problem with ppl liking whatever they like, but please don't call it trance. it just isn't.
It is his top 20 though, surely he has the end say, he isnt likely to put in tracks he doesn't personally like.
I didn't say it was one person, where did I say it was one person? Quote me.
And that's besides the point, DFX clearly stated on here that Armin is no longer trance, do you agree with this then?
i have doubts if it was his own top 2- to be honest and the main reason i am saying this is because armin those days follow his managements and what all the armin forum freaks say!
he has lost his way just because he just follow their opinions of random asot freaks and not his own style to be honest and thats sad