what in the world is going on in this forum...i hope no one is upset
make peace not war!!
with 1870 people voting for that No 1 I have still hope fpr the globe...
no, it's the flavour of the young trance kids growing up right now (which is always the broadest base for influencing trends and opinion making) so producers make it and DJs have to support it.
Those kids will be sitting here in 5 years time criticising the same influences the uplifting peeps do right now.
you sure?
sorry if you took offense, glad that you are an exception.
this thread got kinda heated and I don't really understand why. And about what, a run down of tracks played by a DJ and voted for by his listeners?
So hard to have a civilised discussion?
Abstraction raised a couple of valid points, and though he used an unlucky term it's not name calling and I can see where he came from.
I see posts here in threads of seperatism and kinda propagating musical apartheid.
I understand that going down this lane and getting caught in those discussions is fairly easy as this station is so specialised. But tastes are different.
Music, no matter the genre, will always inter and cross breed, the fact that vocals are the flavour of the month -which is not really my taste- is tough but i will get over it. No need to get all excited over it, you can't prevent it anyways.
I do agree that mods should be moderating but not propagating.
Course they are entitled to their own opinion but not necessarily to voice it, representing not just themselves there is a responsibility, a reason for "moderation" and modesty, at least in choice of words.
And "Bucket" shouldn't be in that vocabulary...![]()
Well said 90degrees.
I whole heartedly agree with you that the moderators of AH.FM should be careful about what they say about particular DJ's. As moderators & staff members - WE represent AH.FM. So whatever we say, AH.FM says. And what you said is 100% correct. As staff members, we are entitled to our own opinions, but should choose carefully where and when to voice them.
This is especially important during such events as right now, when there is so much public attention on the forums.
As staff members, we are entitled to our own opinions, but should choose carefully where and when to voice them.
I do agree that mods should be moderating but not propagating.
Course they are entitled to their own opinion but not necessarily to voice it, representing not just themselves there is a responsibility, a reason for "moderation" and modesty, at least in choice of words.
And "Bucket" shouldn't be in that vocabulary...![]()
Well since you're asking...:grinning2:
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ASOT Top 20 is _NOT_ Armins Personal Top 20! - so stfu and dont act as if it is...
so now girls - go brush your hair - get ready for School - and stop talking like you know stuff![]()
i heard your show yesterday dfx - and even tho i liked a few of the tunes - the set was for me - rather monotonous
We can take trance and put it in the same category. You have to understand it, because it is complex, especially without vocals. If I took this genre and introduced it to some people, I'd be willing to bet alot would not like it because ie: it's too long, too boring, too repetitive, no vocals (in some cases), etc etc. Some people do not understand that genres such as trance and classical are much much more personal than your average Simple Plan rock band for example.
of course you don't, because you can't possibly say that to someone actually playing trancebut you dont hear me cry "DFX KILLS TRANCE" - now do you?...
moving to pop-trance as he calls it, does kill trance, in that it makes people believe that this is trance. "simplyfying" it in that way, removing the complexity, substituting it with "common" features (vocals) doesn't do trance any good - yes, more people will obviously like it, but it won't help them a bit appreaciate the real thing, quite the opposite.
That may be, but in the eyes of those who enjoy it and the DJ (well..lets hope not), it IS trance.
This is where Afterhours.fm comes in. When REAL trance (and don't argue that it isn't, you're just digging your own hole) is played,promoted,introduced, and spread out, it is the most effective way of fighting the new trend of trance. You have to show the big guys that you don't like what's going on.
PS: I'm not supporting this new trance. I don't hate it, because I know that some people enjoy it, so I respect that, but I don't enjoy it myself, and I'm not alone.
In fact I wish the big DJs weren't so bent on the whole Top DJs list thing, because it is THAT kind of competition that sparks these strokes of desperation (ie: being a crowd's pet..not sure if that's the right term for it). If people just realized that if you just play what you like, you will always find your suited audience.
i consider myself playing trance too? - and people say i do - and my listeners say i do - the crowds and the public view here has me as a trancehead - but still the defenders of the real Trance - doesent call what i play trance? - as stated elsewhere - try looking on the tracklist for armins yearmix - that looks nothing like the Top20..
finally someone that gets my meaning \o/I think that the problem isn't what we think trance is, it's what the definition of it is. People forget that there are rules to producing trance. It's not because you have synth sounds or moaning female vocals that you have trance (which is what some DJs may think). The dictionary definition of it is not being respected. When that happens ,it would not/should not be called trance anymore, but simply pop.
There are thousands of pop songs that contain moaning female vocals and synth sounds and "bleep blop bip bloop" sounds, but it does not automatically make it trance.
i'll just stop trying talking sense here
have fun
unfortunately there's quite a lot of people around that think that the asot vocal crap IS uplifting trance...